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I would settle for either my .45s the Kimber, or JHP for short work.... for long and even relative short range a Mini 14, Mini 30, or M1a would put me in HEAVEN and those in the cross hairs in hell. JMHO!
What (for you) is acceptable accuracy/power in a SHTF weapon?
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The more I read the more I learn.
I bought a stainless synthetic Mini-14 a while back thinking it would be a good choice if the weather was bad and I got rained on. I would not have to worry about the gun rusting. Shortly after that I bought a Ruger P-89 9mm. I did not buy either because they would put 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards, or 25 yards for the P-89. I bought both because they were dead nuts reliable. They are not the high dollar pretty looking guns. They have worked well for me so far.
For me right now these are my SHTF guns. If I have to go from work, middle of the city to home. Not sure I could use a 308. I do not think I would need to reach that far out. I know neither of my guns have the stopping power of a 7.62X39 or the 308. I still do not want to use them to shoot any one. No would I like to receive a bullet from either of them.
For closer stuff around the home, I am working on getting a tactical shot gun. I am also looking at a Savage 308 for longer reach. I also have a Turkish 8mm Mauser and a Romanian M44. Both of those would be way to heavy to go on any type of walk with. They would be good for a second person to use while I am holding the scoped 308. They could put rounds close to the target while I get a better look.
So as I typed this, is there a preference of stainless of blued or parkorized finishes on your guns?
Dru.
I bought a stainless synthetic Mini-14 a while back thinking it would be a good choice if the weather was bad and I got rained on. I would not have to worry about the gun rusting. Shortly after that I bought a Ruger P-89 9mm. I did not buy either because they would put 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards, or 25 yards for the P-89. I bought both because they were dead nuts reliable. They are not the high dollar pretty looking guns. They have worked well for me so far.
For me right now these are my SHTF guns. If I have to go from work, middle of the city to home. Not sure I could use a 308. I do not think I would need to reach that far out. I know neither of my guns have the stopping power of a 7.62X39 or the 308. I still do not want to use them to shoot any one. No would I like to receive a bullet from either of them.
For closer stuff around the home, I am working on getting a tactical shot gun. I am also looking at a Savage 308 for longer reach. I also have a Turkish 8mm Mauser and a Romanian M44. Both of those would be way to heavy to go on any type of walk with. They would be good for a second person to use while I am holding the scoped 308. They could put rounds close to the target while I get a better look.
So as I typed this, is there a preference of stainless of blued or parkorized finishes on your guns?
Dru.
Given the natural terrain of Maine and my chosen BOL, I'm not overly concerned about taking shots over 50 yards. When SHTF, I'll probably load a bunch of guns into my BOV, but the two I would consider most important are my .22LR with an inexpensive scope and my .44 Magnum.
It is preferred that you can reach out and touch the threat before they can tag you. In any situation that rifle will be easier to control especially with shaking hands (not the movie shaking you see sometimes but that low amplitude high frequency shaking that come from adrenaline). As for knowing what will happen when the fire goes goes both ways it all depends on training and you always wish you had more.
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More braging then anything else but this seemed like a great place to post this, but I shot a sub MOA group with my Tech-sight equiped WASR-10 today, so I think my 7.62x69 is acceptable for accuracy in my book. One thing that should be added to the discusion is range and location. By that I mean if you live in a more open area a higher power higher velocity round would be benificial. If you live in a heavily woodedarea with a lot of brush, as I do, you should make sure your chosen round performs well in brush. If you live in a city range may not be an option and a 9mm carbine could be just the ticket.
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Ya know for my locality, and of course in a perfect world where I have the money to buy what I want...LOL. A SOCOM II either open sight or red dot, a Barretta M-9, and a Mossburg 500 milspec shorty! I know what I can do with each under "simulated duress" (thank you Blackwater instructors) and how much ammo I can carry for each. Granted ya never know what you can really do until it happens!
I live in a heavily wooded area, with lots of brush, well, where I would bug out to would be.
So a carbine length that I can hit a chest sized target at 100 yards or less, with stopping power and a hi cap mag that can last through the elements. That is an AK-47 all the way for me........
So a carbine length that I can hit a chest sized target at 100 yards or less, with stopping power and a hi cap mag that can last through the elements. That is an AK-47 all the way for me........
The Mosin Nagant for the following reasons:
Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant
It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
You can hit the farm from two counties over.
What's a mag?
What's a safety?
Your rifle has dog collars.
Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
You can knock down everyone else's target just from the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
Recoil often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.
Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
Your rifle won a pole vault event.
You paid $79.95.
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
Service Life, 100 years.
You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor. THEN you watch "Enemy at the Gates."
Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.
Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.
Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant
It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
You can hit the farm from two counties over.
What's a mag?
What's a safety?
Your rifle has dog collars.
Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
You can knock down everyone else's target just from the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
Recoil often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.
Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
Your rifle won a pole vault event.
You paid $79.95.
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
Service Life, 100 years.
You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor. THEN you watch "Enemy at the Gates."
Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.
Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.
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as you can see my the raggedy group above it's isn't a consistant MOA gun, but it is capable of it.
Nothing wrong with having an AK at all I have few myself and even a WASR can shoot good groups at times. But thats not its purpose never was and thank god for it. I picked up a Savage 10FCM in 308 this week and shooting sub-MOA is exactly what it is supposed to do. BTW that accu-trigger is just the best Ive ever used on a production weapon. Think Im going to give the Mosin and 54R ammo to my son for Xmas. Damn I spoil those kids.
You guys want to know what the best SHTF rifle is?
10\22 :cry2:
1. Ammo is heavy..you can carry many rounds of 22lr along
if you have to travel on foot.
2. Great for picking off small rabbits and other game for food.
3. Not much noise compared to other rifles. Noise gives away
your position..bad
Ok i am going back to watching Red Dawn now :angel:
10\22 :cry2:
1. Ammo is heavy..you can carry many rounds of 22lr along
if you have to travel on foot.
2. Great for picking off small rabbits and other game for food.
3. Not much noise compared to other rifles. Noise gives away
your position..bad
Ok i am going back to watching Red Dawn now :angel:
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Watch out with small game, lots of protien little fat, it can kill you to survive off it. I will agree, a good .22 is a must have.
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My lineup is a Remington 870 12 gauge, 2 Glock 19's, Kahr PM9 and quite possibly real soon, a new Mini 14 tactical with the thicker shorter barrel. Should be accurate enough, I live in the suburbs and don't forsee longer range shooting beyond 75 yards actually.
Perhaps an AK, but too heavy for me when loaded with 30 rounds. I want something light and very maneuverable. I might opt for a Marlin 1894 in .44magnum though.
Perhaps an AK, but too heavy for me when loaded with 30 rounds. I want something light and very maneuverable. I might opt for a Marlin 1894 in .44magnum though.
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What about a Ruger M77 Hawkeye scout? tough dependable and they can be modified to take an M1A mag.
i've given this some thought and have started to work towards it.i currently have a c9 and a rossi 20ga/22 lr combo,i would also like to get a 308/20ga combo and top it off with a couple of 995's.while that may not be acceptable to some it would meet all of my requirements for survival if SHTF,also both combos break down and are stored in a very back packable storage system
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