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NRA is like any other organization people that do not agree with them some of the time like to complain all the time. The Heller decision was landmark for individual rights. I can not see Joe Blow taking a grievance to court and winning like the NRA. Most people do not have the money to fight litigation like the NRA. It is a good organization and people should tap into Cam&co. To see the battles they fight.
 

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I can not see Joe Blow taking a grievance to court and winning like the NRA.
I can also see the NRA never taking a grievance to court for Joe Blow.
Most people do not have the money to fight litigation like the NRA.
It doesn't take money to introduce bills, or have representatives smack bills out of existence, What it takes is Americans with a backbone, love for our country, and desire to have LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS to be elected, instead of the prick with the most money or the other prick with R/D beside his name!

/rant on
I'm not a Fudd,
I'm not a competition shooter,
My firearms were not handed down from my father,
My firearms were not given to me as a gift,
So... Why do I have them? 2A, That's why... And until the NRA can muster up the balls, the courage, and goddamned common courtesy to stand up for the 2A AS IT IS WRITTEN: **** them.
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So... Why do I have them? 2A, That's why... And until the NRA can muster up the balls, the courage, and goddamned common courtesy to stand up for the 2A AS IT IS WRITTEN: **** them.
I've seen this plenty of times but I don't understand what the impetus is. I get American Rifleman as part of my membership and it has a section every month about successful cases of self-defense with guns, updates about legislative and other action being taken against 2A rights... what is it that the NRA has done to disgruntle so many people? The reason I ask is because I have seen enough anti-NRA sentiment that I'm assuming that there may be something I should know... I don't want to blindly put my support behind the NRA, I want to be informed.
 

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Well, the brady campaign wants to close the "mentally stable" loophole from firearms sales... You know, that box you check, and sign your name saying it's truthful, under the threat of being charged perjury if you lie... The NRA backed this in congress:
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=A560743B-3048-5C12-00F65445761CBD3A
http://www.thehotjoints.com/2007/10/15/nra-backs-anti-gun-group-join-forces-on-capitol-hill/

Not to mention this guy: David Olofson
He loaned his rifle to a neighbor,
His neighbor experienced a 2 shot burst, and jam at the range.
He and his neighbor are both arrested.
The neighbor is let go,
Olofson is still sitting his ass in prison for illegally transferring a machine gun.
http://theruleoflaw.blogspot.com/2008/05/automatic-gun-transfer-nets-prison.html
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68590

Where's the NRA? No damn where, do not believe for one second that they will go to bat for you.
Where's the GOA? Paying that man's mortgage and family car payment. (and fighting for his release)
 

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when the president of the NRA stands up in front of TV cameras and states that there is no need for any civilian to own an AK-47 is when i stopped supporting them. they only care about fudds. when they start supporting ALL GUN OWNERS and not just the politically correct ones, ill think about sending them money again.

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I send them both money for the same reason that having a poor gun is better than having no gun and two guns is even better. Its not much money and in the end they do some good for us.
 

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when the president of the NRA stands up in front of TV cameras and states that there is no need for any civilian to own an AK-47 is when i stopped supporting them. they only care about fudds. when they start supporting ALL GUN OWNERS and not just the politically correct ones, ill think about sending them money again.

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I did some googling and found this link, which I think is what you are talking about: http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-47.html

I agree that it was a horrible thing for him to say... poor SOB was probably going senile at that point.

I appreciate the info from everybody. I was not aware of GOA's existence until now. I am definitely going to do some research and will probably join.
 

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what does GOA stand for?
 

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I did some googling and found this link, which I think is what you are talking about: http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-47.html
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Charlton Heston said that?!?!

agreed, it was definitely not one of his better moments, and now leaves a stain on the image that I had of the man.

The Heller decision was landmark for individual rights. I can not see Joe Blow taking a grievance to court and winning like the NRA.
and exactly what does the NRA have to do with the Heller decision? Originally, the NRA never wanted the case to even be heard before the court, and they only pinned their names onto the situation, when it became apparent that they had to do nothing in the situation, and when it appeared that they could advance their image in the situation.

Not to mention this guy: David Olofson...
Where's the NRA? No damn where, do not believe for one second that they will go to bat for you.
Where's the GOA? Paying that man's mortgage and family car payment. (and fighting for his release)
agreed. I followed the Olofson case religiously, and it shows , again, that the NRA only backs cases that they feel they have nothing to lose, and when it will advance their image.

As for all of the anti legislation that has recieved the NRA seal of approval, you also must remember that McCain was regularly awarded with around a "D" rating from teh NRA, until he became the frontrunner in teh Republican primaries... THEN he suddenly became upgraded to an "A-" rating...
 

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As for all of the anti legislation that has recieved the NRA seal of approval, you also must remember that McCain was regularly awarded with around a "D" rating from teh NRA, until he became the frontrunner in teh Republican primaries... THEN he suddenly became upgraded to an "A-" rating...
Score one for learning something today, I did not know about that rating change.
 

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I only have 1 gun at this time, may get a couple more in the future. I think most of the problem the general public has with the NRA is that they see the NRA as unwilling to compromise on anything. Many non-gun owners question the need for "assault" weapons among gun owners. I think they envision all assault weapons as machine guns.
 

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I only have 1 gun at this time, may get a couple more in the future. I think most of the problem the general public has with the NRA is that they see the NRA as unwilling to compromise on anything. Many non-gun owners question the need for "assault" weapons among gun owners. I think they envision all assault weapons as machine guns.
A true assault weapon is automatic, ie selectable rate of fire, any semi-auto is not an assault weapon.
 

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I think most of the problem the general public has with the NRA is that they see the NRA as unwilling to compromise on anything.
That in it self is the problem. The NRA direly needs to reach out to the public and help with better education on firearms, firearm safety, and the 2nd amendment. Ultimately it boils down to simply rephrasing your statement as, "I think most of the problem the general public has with the NRA is that they see the NRA as unwilling to compromise on the second amendment." When the even sadder truth is, I'm hard pressed to imagine any other part of the Constitution which has been more spat on and compromised than the second amendment. The simple fact is, most states have laws which are blatantly unconstitutional. Heck, Texas has laws on the books which violate both the state and federal constitutions. Texas, of all states, actually has fewer gun rights than most other states.

The sad truth is, when it comes to politics, compromising today means compromising again tomorrow...and tomorrow...and tomorrow... One only has to look at the state of current gun laws to see the truth of this statement.

Anti-gun activists have done an excellent job of framing NRA members as the crazy Vietnam vet, living in a bus, laying in wait to slaughter children who dare step on their property, with fully automatic assault rifles. To become relevant again, the NRA needs to work hard to frame these same activists as un-American, while educating people what the intent of the second amendment is in the first place. Simple fact is, saying no to assault weapons and then some, is the same as screaming you hate the US Constitution.

There is a damn good reason the second amendment is second and people need to understand why. The NRA is not doing its job until people remember why its there. The only thing more important than freedom of speech is the freedom to own military/militia grade weapons. And it wasn't so long ago the population understood and supported this basic right.
 

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As for all of the anti legislation that has recieved the NRA seal of approval, you also must remember that McCain was regularly awarded with around a "D" rating from teh NRA, until he became the frontrunner in teh Republican primaries... THEN he suddenly became upgraded to an "A-" rating...
Score one for learning something today, I did not know about that rating change.
McCain holds a "C+" lifetime rating from the NRA as well. It would probably have been lower except for the fact that at the time the grades were issued McCain was a Republican presidential nominee..

Meanwhile Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate holds an "A+" lifetime rating. now explain to me exactly why teh NRA wouldn't endorse Barr?

and before ya'll start jumping in about "the lesser of two evils" BS, let me say this. the NRA is a FIREARM RIGHTS ADVOCACY GROUP. they should endorse the man who fits the bill in regards to the issue that they are concerned with..

not to mentino the fact that with 4.3 million voters who are members of the NRA, and with a majority of those members listening to what the NRA says, Barr may have gotten a little closer to Washington.
 

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I agree the NRA ought to have promoted a better candidate in the election. I believe the reason they chose one is simple and you hit on it. If every single NRA member voted for (who?) Bob Barr and those were added to his voted he already got I'd still be saying "who?". Simple fact is you don't win by endorsing a loser. Not that Barr is a "loser" in the sense some might assume I meant but as a real contender for presidency there just was no way. The NRA had to strategically choose the best "gun friendly" candidate with a chance to win. That was McCain.
 

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Its the yellow dog Democrat factor, it has to be offset somehow.
 

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As for all of the anti legislation that has recieved the NRA seal of approval, you also must remember that McCain was regularly awarded with around a "D" rating from teh NRA, until he became the frontrunner in teh Republican primaries... THEN he suddenly became upgraded to an "A-" rating...
Score one for learning something today, I did not know about that rating change.
McCain holds a "C+" lifetime rating from the NRA as well. It would probably have been lower except for the fact that at the time the grades were issued McCain was a Republican presidential nominee..

Meanwhile Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate holds an "A+" lifetime rating. now explain to me exactly why teh NRA wouldn't endorse Barr?

and before ya'll start jumping in about "the lesser of two evils" BS, let me say this. the NRA is a FIREARM RIGHTS ADVOCACY GROUP. they should endorse the man who fits the bill in regards to the issue that they are concerned with..

not to mentino the fact that with 4.3 million voters who are members of the NRA, and with a majority of those members listening to what the NRA says, Barr may have gotten a little closer to Washington.
Screw the lesser evil, vote Cuthullu right?
 
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