[ichthyo]

Monson (MA) police investigators developed information that methamphetamine was being distributed from a residence and on January 25th, officers executed a search warrant at the suspects’ address. Multiple items including suspected methamphetamine, three firearms (two of which had defaced serial numbers), a replica firearm and multiple rounds of ammunition were seized.

I see a Glock (#1), a Walther P38 (#4), a Lorcin L22 (#3), and I'm guessing #2 is the "replica".
Oh, and the AR mags must go to an -invisible- ghost gun.

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Where does the confiscated cash go to ultimately in these cases? I'm guessing they never get it back.

 

[Lovetoshoot]

Looks like they all have loaded mags. If we're sticking w/ the premise that the police report is actually correct that a replica of a firearm was seized, then I would expect it to be the Glock or the P-38, as they are some of the most common replicas.

More likely, they meant home made firearm, in which case it's rather likely they meant the Polymer 80 Glock clone. I'd be curious to know if you have to hold the .22 magazine in place w/ your other hand to get the little pistol to feed properly, if if that 10? round magazine actually locks into place and feeds properly.

Sad. A nice P38 is going to fall off a shelf and off the records into someone’s pocket…

Sad. A nice P38 is going to fall off a shelf and off the records into someone’s pocket…

Most likely a P-1 post WW2.

 

[GrumpyOlMan]

Is that not a .22 LR mag in the lower right-hand corner, non-matching, but might work if held in place? Had a buddy w/ a Taurus 92, he'd hold a Beretta or SIG or somesuch mag in place b/c the magcatch wouldn't grab. I bought him a Taurus mag to solve the problem.

Have heard that seized guns often have a mismash of ammo in them, not surprised by a non-matching mag if that's it.

Who would make a replica of a Lorcin?

😆

 

[ajole]

Most likely a P-1 post WW2.

Nah...I'm sticking with the idea that every time a gun gets destroyed, it's a special one. Heck, this is probably Goering's personal weapon that he gave to a subordinate to hide the day before he was arrested for the Nuremburg trials, brought back by someone's MOH winning grandpa, and is a priceless heirloom and/or antiquity.

But yeah, I know you are right, the grips say it's probably NOT WW2 vintage. 😢
But....they also don't say it's a P1...so I still have hope!

 

[backbencher]

Where does the confiscated cash go to ultimately in these cases? I'm guessing they never get it back.

Basically a local War on Drugs slush fund. We've created an armed bureaucracy that makes money by seizing cash and claiming it was drug related.

 

[Lovetoshoot]

Nah...I'm sticking with the idea that every time a gun gets destroyed, it's a special one. Heck, this is probably Goering's personal weapon that he gave to a subordinate to hide the day before he was arrested for the Nuremburg trials, brought back by someone's MOH winning grandpa, and is a priceless heirloom and/or antiquity.

But yeah, I know you are right, the grips say it's probably NOT WW2 vintage. 😢
But....they also don't say it's a P1...so I still have hope!

It seems kind of unlikely they would have a WW2 vintage.(unless stolen) Post is much easier to purchase than a original. And I personally hope it's not original.
It would be sad indeed. We've all seen photo's of such weapons (collectors items) being squished etc.

 

[Think1st]

ajole can answer better, but looking @ DDG image search it looks as if the front sight is mounted on a ring pressed onto the bbl.

From reddit:

That makes sense.

 

[Think1st]

I'm getting the impression that the actual fake weapon isn't in the picture.

 

[Visper]

I'm getting the impression that the actual fake weapon isn't in the picture.

Well like I said, we can't see the Ghost Gun, so who knows... lol

I really do think it's the P80, but instead of clone they used replica.

 

[roysha]

Since the Walther is DA/SA why is the trigger back in the SA mode when the hammer is down?

 

[Visper]

Since the Walther is DA/SA why is the trigger back in the SA mode when the hammer is down?

That is a good one, makes total sense!! I just don't know the P38 well enough to confirm.

 

[ajole]

Since the Walther is DA/SA why is the trigger back in the SA mode when the hammer is down?

Good point. It's on safe too....I'll have to dig mine out tonight, but I don't think it works like that.

But....those are still P38 magazines. Maybe the gun is broken?

 

[undeRGRound]

Kinda looks like the P80 is what they are calling a "replica" and that 2nd AR mag in metal, well, that could be a Mini 14 magazine. I got 2-3 of those in a bargain bin buying spree darn near free, and gave them to a fellow Sparky who's son has a mini.

Sad. A nice P38 is going to fall off a shelf and off the records into someone’s pocket…

Still better than perpetually on an evidence shelf, I guess...

 

[backbencher]

Kinda looks like the P80 is what they are calling a "replica" and that 2nd AR mag in metal, well, that could be a Mini 14 magazine. I got 2-3 of those in a bargain bin buying spree darn near free, and gave them to a fellow Sparky who's son has a mini.

Still better than perpetually on an evidence shelf, I guess...

Er, no, those are both normal, everyday AR-15 mags. I have 7x Mini-14 mags that also will work in the AR-15, and in some AR-180s, the old RamLines.

 

[adam01364]

The TV station local to Monson (WWLP) ran a "sorta but not really" follow-up story with firearms confiscated by the Chicopee PD:

"Fake guns are causing real problems on our streets. Chicopee Officers confiscated three fake guns from juveniles in just five weeks. While these guns may not be real, residents and police officers may not be able to tell the difference, and that poses a very real danger to the kids who are using them improperly.

Fake guns or replica firearms, like BB guns or airsoft guns, are being brandished and played with by teens in open, public settings and causing alarm. Most of these fake guns are available at major retailors and look like the real thing, others are manipulated to look like real guns. While airsoft and BB guns are intended for sport and recreation, it’s the off-label use that’s causing problems. Replica guns look so real, many people and police officers may not be able to tell the difference.

In the wake of several accidental police involved killings, many cities and towns are implementing stricter regulations. Boston banned realistic toy hand guns in 2015. 22News spoke with the Chicopee Police Department, which has seen an uptick in the improper use of replica firearms. Officers put real guns and fake replicas they’ve recently confiscated on a table".

Link: Fake guns, real problems: Can you spot the differences?

 

[adam01364]

That's a Clerke First .32 revolver in the upper right. While it's not a "fake" gun, it's a far worse gun than a Lorcin L22.

 

[ajole]

So….the P38 seems to have a “feature”. I never noticed it before. If you decock the weapon, by turning the safety lever down so the “S” is exposed, meaning it’s on safe (German would be “Sicher”, thus the “S”), the hammer is dropped, but the firing pin is blocked.

And here’s the odd thing.

The trigger stays there in the single action place, but unable to fire the gun, until you turn the safety back up to expose the “F” for “Feuer”, at which time it goes into double action mode with the trigger moved forward.

So the safety is literally a safety, as well as being a decocker.

Here’s mine, built in Germany in 1961. Note the post WW2 checkered grips. The one in the photo has the WW2 grooved grips, which might have been put on some guns in the late ‘50’s, or put on by some guy who bought some repops or surplus grips….or it’s a WW2 gun.

Decocked, trigger in SA position but inoperable. Taking it off safe releases the trigger to the DA position, and it functions as intended.

 

[roysha]

Thank you explaining that. I am not in the least familiar with the P-38 so I appreciate your post. I must say, the functioning is a bit odd but certainly effective.

Even at 80 one learns new things all the time.

 

[ajole]

Thank you explaining that. I am not in the least familiar with the P-38 so I appreciate your post. I must say, the functioning is a bit odd but certainly effective.

Even at 80 one learns new things all the time.

Glad to help,
I learned too….and I own the thing!🤪

 

[backbencher]

Cheers ajole.