Why are Hi Point Slides So Heavy

  1. christophereger

    christophereger Writer Member

    For those Hi-Point owners and aficionados out there, one thing quickly sets your pistol apart from others such as the SIG, Glock, and S&W, is the huge heavy slide. Why is it so large and thick? Let's take a look at that.

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    Blowback Retardation

    When a round fires in a semi-automatic handgun, the slide cycles back and in this movement ejects the spent cartridge case, and inserts a new round from the magazine into the chamber. Most of these are either recoil-operated (such as in the Colt 1911 or Glock) or blowback operated (such as in the Walther PPK or Makarov). A recoil-operated pistol has a barrel that pivots or swivels or moves to some extent when fired, whereas a blowback-operated pistol has the barrel permanently locked to the frame and doesn't move. Blowback action is normally reserved for lower powered cartridges as the action uses the weight of the slide to retard (slow) the action before the spring forces it back into battery.

    The more stout the cartridge, the heavier the slide needs to be. Hence, in a 9mm or 45ACP chambered locked-breech blowback pistol, you need a massively heavy slide. To save on cost and machining, while still delivering a reliable product, Hi-Point uses a ZAMAK alloy slide.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX0MB7pJtKs

    As Boris the Blade would say, "Weight is a sign of reliability. If it doesn't work, you can always hit him with it!"

    What is ZAMAK anyway?

    Hi-Point pistol slides are made of ZAMAK-3, a non-ferrous (won't attract a magnet) Zinc-Aluminum Alloy (ZnAl4) that is popular in the die-cast industry. Usually ZA3 is 96% pure zinc coupled with a blend of 4% aluminum, magnesium, and copper. A pinch of iron, cadmium, and tin are also thrown in for flavor. It has a melting point of 718-728F and can be electroplated, wet painted, and chromate conversion coated well. It is the easiest alloy to cast, has extremely high ductility, and high impact strength, and a tensile strength of 40,000 lbs. While many zinc alloys are popularly referred to as pot metal, monkey metal, or white metal, ZA3 is held too much higher industrial standards, so don't confuse the two. More than 70% of all North American zinc die-castings are made from ZA3, whereas China is the leading exporter of lesser 'pot metal' types of zinc alloys. Many commercial items such as oxygen tank wrench keys, exterior door handles, gearshift handles, seat belt components, and others are made of ZA3. Don't get me wrong, it's not steel, but it's not a true pot metal either. Nevertheless, Hi-Point adds steel to the frame for extra strength and uses steel barrels and other components, but the bulk of the slide is ZA3.

    This leads to a certain indestructibility of the design.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FoWpog5KU4

    Cleaning

    Hi-Point recommends hosing out the action with a powder solvent like break free powder blast or another aerosol solvent after every firing. The manual states that every 300-400 rounds the barrel should be brushed free of debris by running a few cleaning patches through the barrel. Full disassembly and cleaning is only recommended after every 1500-2000 rounds. That is relatively low-maintenance. Especially when you consider that SIG recommends cleaning their handguns after every 250-rounds and Taurus every 200.

    The neat thing about these guns is that all Hi-Point firearms carry a lifetime, "no-questions asked warranty." Whether you are the original purchaser, or the third-hand owner, your Hi-Point firearm will be repaired free of charge.

    The slide may be heavy, but the guns work, and for the price are hard to beat.
     
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  2. mikeb82301

    mikeb82301 Member

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    I LIKE the heavy slide - it makes the aim steady and the recoil almost non-existent. On the down side, it obviously makes carrying it a REAL bi--h, but that doesn't stop me - my JCP 40 and I are ALWAYS close together....
     

  3. Can't hurt it, if you try...and can't blow the thing up. Sold me, I bought one last week.
     
  4. twarmack1

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    I bought mine several months ago. after going to the range with a friend that owns one. I rented a Glock to shoot. Then I ran a through a mag on the hi point, I was sold. it is a little heaver but it has less recoil and was way more accurate.
     
  5. boogerdog

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    I think everyone is technically correct, but you're missing the bigger picture. The #1 reason why the slide is so heavy is that after you put nine rounds into the SOBs trying to rape your family, is so that you beat the holy he** out of them. By ballistic concussion or cranial concussion, they are NEVER going to hurt another innocent person again.
     
  6. garim

    garim Member

    I love mine! Got the JCP first, and went to break it in and sight it at the local deputies' range. First, funny looks. Next, snide comments. Last, "Hey, let me try that!" So, I bought the C9 when I got my CCW permit I was staying within my price range, and that JCP is HEAVY. That C9 is still my carry piece, and can consistantly hit a silhouette in the 8-ring at 75 yards (farthest I've tried). Finally, Mom's ex wanted to sell his JHP for money to get (wait for it) a Llama .45 of all things. So, I bought it. He'd fired less than a 50rnd box through it, so it was still brand new. We went into the woods once he got his precious Llama, and I wiped the floor with him, using the JHP. Now, the JCP (with two mags of PMC 180gr Starfires) lives in hiding in one room, the C9 lives wherever I happen to be, and the JHP (with two mags of Z-MAXs) lives at my sister & brother-in-law's house, since they don't have one of their own!
     
  7. When I had to retire due to being a 100% disabled veteran, I had worked but it got to where I just couldn't anymore. I wanted a 45acp pistol but all the prices were out of my range. I really wanted a 1911 then I saw an advertisement for a Hi Point. For the money I thought I could at least try one. I love it, it is way more accurate than any service 45 I shot in the Corps. I then purchased a 995 and put the new style stock on it. I love it but traded it off when our lawnmower blew up. Then the opportunity came to buy two old style carbines and I snatched them up a 4095 and a 995. When I got my AR one of my friends who is a LEO wanted the 4095 to go with his duty pistol so I sold it to him and now the 995 lives with my inlaws for a home protection gun. I will get a C9 for my wife. My cousins came home a couple of weeks ago with a brand new 9mm Pistol that they were given, we were out shooting and they were complaining about how heavy the trigger was. I dry fired it about 20 times and told them to try it again, they were perfectly happy with it after that. I was already sold on Hi Points when the guys at Moss Pawn went through their series of how to blow one up, I continually remind the haters of how good Hi Points are. Plus the customer service is second to none. When I have bought a used gun and was missing a sight piece or when I purchased my new one and one of the dots was missing on the sight, no questions asked they just mail them right out. I love my Hi Points and yeah they may be heavy, that is the last line of defense in case all the bullets wont stop a Zombie...just cave in their heads!!!!
     
  8. Bobjr59

    Bobjr59 Member

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    I've owned both the 995 and 4095 classics loved them accurate and highly dependable wished I still had them but I plan on buying more as soon as I get back to work as for my 4595 I plan to reload for her and the 2 JHP 45's I bought to accompany her I'm thinking of buying 6-8 of the promags 14 rd mags and minimum of 10 more factory 9 rd mags and I may buy a C9 for CCW
     
  9. Sirex

    Sirex Member

    Having two kids, a mortgage and medical bills, the HiPoint C9 had a pricepoint that made it my first handgun purchase. I like the C9 a lot, and with our neighborhood in decline,the C9 serves double duty as range pistol and home defense accompanied by the Mossberg. As much as I wanted a 1911, the cost is about half a mortgage payment, or one months car payment. So, I bought a HiPoint .45JHP and love that pistol as well. Getting over the stigma of buying an "affordable" gun, you start to realize they really are good guns. I do hope to get a 995 or 4595 carbine someday as well.
     
  10. Wasn't all that interested in the Hipoint 40 pistol, but it came with a used Hipoint carbine that I wanted. I wasn't optimistic that I would like it - until I took it to the range. Accurate and reliable. I can tell it has seen a LOT of use, but cycles fine and is more accurate than my M&P 40. My wife even commented on how well it shoots. Yeah, it is heavy, but easy to aim. I keep it ready all the time for home defense now.
     
  11. Is the 10 round C9 magazine as reliable as the 8 rounder?
     
  12. reese32309

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    Had the HP 380 for a few years, now just picked up a 45 acp. I have never had a problem of any sort with either one. I love these guns. My wife (5'2" 120lbs) absolutely loves the 380. I on the other hand have large hands and I have found the 45 is perfect. Wife and I are very comfortable with the blowback design.
     
  13. I challenge these guys to try ANY other pistol with similar brutality testing, and see if it could hold out this long, still being operational. Their insane tests, demonstrate their bias against the Hi-Point product, yet prove it's durability is FAR beyond that of other pistols. Seriously, a hardened steel bolt in the barrel, and you are going to whine about bulging?
     
  14. Anyone crying about the weight of these pistols should look into a gym membership and eat some wheaties. I hear cap guns are pretty light want to borrow my kids?