WINTER HAVEN FLORIDA PD TO DITCH GLOCKS IN .45 GAP- KABOOMS

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  1. FLA2760

    FLA2760 Guest

    This is interesting to say the least. :shock: So far it's the Model 37

    http://www.theledger.com/article/20080313/NEWS/803130481/1039

    By Merissa Green
    The Ledger

    WINTER HAVEN | The Police Department is ditching $38,000 worth of guns after two .45-caliber GAP Glock Model 37 pistols exploded in separate training incidents a year a part, causing minor injuries to an officer and a cadet.

    $10,000 The department tried to work out a solution with Glock. The gun's Georgia-based manufacturer offered to swap out the nearly 2 1/2 -year-old guns if the department paid the company $10,000. But Police Chief Mark LeVine said that is unfair.



    GLOCK MODEL 37Caliber: .45

    Magazine Capacity: 10 rounds

    Overall Length: 7.32 inches

    Height (Including magazine): 5.51 inches

    Width: 1.18 inches

    Barrel Length: 4.49 inches

    Weight (loaded): 35.48 oz

    Source: www.glock.com





    PAUL JOHNSON | LEDGER PHOTOS
    DETECTIVE SGT. JIM JONES of Winter Haven police examines one of the department's Glock .45 caliber G.A.P. handguns, a model that hasn't caused problems. Two of the department's Glock weapons have exploded in practice.


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    PAUL JOHNNSON | THE LEDGER
    PARTS OF THE TRIGGER MECHANISM of a Glock handgun that blew up during target practice are shown below the trigger guard at the Winter Haven Police Department on Wednesday.
    "I've been around 34 years in law enforcement, and we've seen malfunctioning with guns, but never seen it explode," Police Chief Mark LeVine said.

    "When I've got two guns out of 90 mess up, something's wrong."

    The department has not had any problems with the guns during use in the line of duty.

    The force of the explosions came down through the bottom of the guns and blew the triggers off, LeVine said.

    Police Officer Frank Scianimanico, 32, and then-cadet Rodrique Jean-Louis, 20, suffered bruised fingers in the separate incidents.

    As a result, the department will try an all-metal gun as a possible replacement for the plastic Glock during weapons testing Tuesday and March 20.

    LeVine issued a memo Feb. 1 to his officers saying that if anyone was uncomfortable carrying the Glock they could carry a personal weapon instead, as long as the gun meets the department's requirements.

    The department tried to work out a solution with Glock. The gun's Georgia-based manufacturer offered to swap out the nearly 2 1/2-year-old guns if the department paid the company $10,000.

    But LeVine said that is unfair.

    "I personally question if it should cost us anything at all," the chief said.

    A Glock spokesman said the company is aware of the Winter Haven incidents, but hasn't had the opportunity to examine the guns yet.

    "Without looking at the pistol, there's no way for us to make a determination," said Glock spokesman Carlos Guevara.



    FIRST EXPLOSION

    The first incident occurred in January 2007 when a Glock exploded while being used by Jean-Louis, a former cadet the department was sponsoring at the Polk Community College Kenneth C. Thompson Institute of Public Safety, which trains prospective police officers.

    Department officials dismissed the incident as the fault of bad ammunition, and so did Glock.

    The second incident, the one involving Scianiamancio, was this January during training at the department's shooting range at the Winter Haven Airport.

    "We had another explode in the same fashion," LeVine said. "We've only got 90 guns, and two failed. It has caused a certain amount of uneasiness."

    The issue seems to be with the gun, which only Glock makes, LeVine said.

    The Polk County Sheriff's Office uses a different Glock, the .40-caliber Model 22 pistol, but there haven't been any incidents with it, said spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers.

    The Sheriff's Office switched last year to the Glocks after using Smith & Wessons. The Glocks cost the agency $350 per gun, compared with $560 for the .45-caliber Smith & Wessons deputies were using.

    "They're easier to fire, more accurate, and they hold more ammunition," Rodgers said.

    Lake Alfred Police Chief Art Bodenheimer said he would never let his officers use a Glock after he saw a video demonstration of one being partially disassembled after being jammed.

    His officers use Smith & Wessons instead, because it is an all-metal gun, compared to the plastic Glock, he said.

    "I'm not a Glock enthusiast," Bodenheimer said.

    The Winter Haven Police Department isn't the only one that has had problem with Glocks. At least two other law enforcement agencies have reported issues.



    elsewhere in u.s.

    Two .45-caliber Glock Model 21 pistols exploded in the hands of two officers at the Portland Police Department, according to a 2004 article in The Oregonian newspaper. That department then switched to 9 mm Glocks.

    In 2006, The Oregonian reported an officer who was injured when his gun exploded filed a multi-million-dollar lawsuit against Glock and the ammunition manufacturer.

    In Pennsylvania, a training officer with the Upper Darby Township Police Department said his department used to carry the Glock Model 21 before it started jamming.

    The department is now testing a different model of Glock. "We can't get a reason why it keeps happening," he said.

    Guevara said Glock's guns aren't defective, and malfunctioning incidents at other agencies are attributed to ammunition or maintenance of the guns.

    And the fact that the Portland Police Department switched to a different Glock model is an indication of how good Glock guns are, Guevara said.

    [ Merissa Green can be reached at merissa.green@theledger.com or 863-401-6968. Visit her blogs at aandl.theledger.com. ]
     
  2. Very strange indeed. Last night we were watching Criminal Minds when the skinny agent and another guy went into a bar. The cantankerous barkeep made a reference to the Glock 37 the skinny cop was wearing about it blowing up. This was in a TV show, someones paying attention. With Glocks rep on the line I'd think they would happily relieve the PD of the 37's and make sure they are happy. Losing even a small portion of the countries PD's would have to be a serious blow to their bottom line.
     

  3. Silicon Wolverine

    Silicon Wolverine Well-Known Member

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    When you hot rod any caliber to teh limit like they did with teh GAP you have to expect theings like this.

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  4. Winter Haven is local to me. The news stated the ammunition was the cause in both cases. The found a bad batch, which caused the first gun to fail. They were instructed to return all the 45 ammo back to the maker, and didn't. Doesn't sound like a Glock problem to me.
     
  5. Silicon Wolverine

    Silicon Wolverine Well-Known Member

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    OK that changes things. IF, and i stress IF, the ammo is at fault, and winter haven didnt return it, they hold all the liability for the incidents. There is too little room for error with ammo that is close to the limit like .40 S&W, 10mm, .45 GAP etc. You can blow up ANY gun if the ammo is too hot.

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  6. 45Man

    45Man Member