[lklawson]

According to the news story, 61 year old Renata Gloria Ray got mad when another woman didn't "get out of [her] way" as she ordered, took out a pistol from her waistband, and shot the other woman. ...in the foot. ...on video.

When the cops stopped her car, she claimed "self defense." She's arrested and being charged with attempted first-degree murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, and cooling her heels in jail on $350,000 bond.

Yeah, story should lead "Florida Woman."

Story here:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/...0200811-tnvkgz2hdzdb7km3ilr3raxlmu-story.html

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[Think1st]

Wow. People like that woman ruin legal CC for everyone. It's the kind of crap the anti-2A crowd like to point out when they dump on our rights. A pox upon her.

 

[1024Megabytes]

People that have little control of their anger should not carry weapons.

 

[Think1st]

People that have little control of their anger should not carry weapons.

Indeed. I think a lot of anti-gun people actually know that they, personally, do not have the proper disposition to be armed and project their own maladapted personalities upon the rest of society. They are, deep inside, the kinds of people this attempted murderess is.

 

[cicpup]

They are, deep inside, the kinds of people this attempted murderess is.

She shot her in the foot. She might be a royal c**t on wheels but attempted murderess? Regardless of charges I doubt she tried to kill anyone.

 

[RACHGIER]

She shot her in the foot. She might be a royal c**t on wheels but attempted murderess? Regardless of charges I doubt she tried to kill anyone.

I see ag assault, but not any degree of attempted. I mean it's been a while since I slept in a Holiday Inn, but don't they have to prove a premeditated intent on a specific target?

 

[Think1st]

She shot her in the foot. She might be a royal c**t on wheels but attempted murderess? Regardless of charges I doubt she tried to kill anyone.

I see ag assault, but not any degree of attempted. I mean it's been a while since I slept in a Holiday Inn, but don't they have to prove a premeditated intent on a specific target?

Well, prosecutors seem to be getting fast and loose with their charges, lately. Heck, they even charged that Chauvin shithead with 1st Degree murder. As despicable as his actions were, they certainly didn't amount to 1st Degree murder. Even 2nd Degree was a stretch.

Perhaps some of these prosecutors need to sleep in a Holiday Inn.

And Cic, I concur. I don't think she tried to kill anyone. A shot in the foot is certainly not what someone does with murderous intent.

 

[RACHGIER]

Well, prosecutors seem to be getting fast and loose with their charges, lately. Heck, they even charged that Chauvin shithead with 1st Degree murder. As despicable as his actions were, they certainly didn't amount to 1st Degree murder. Even 2nd Degree was a stretch.

Perhaps some of these prosecutors need to sleep in a Holiday Inn.

And Cic, I concur. I don't think she tried to kill anyone. A shot in the foot is certainly not what someone does with murderous intent.

Probably a bogus charge to force a plea deal.

 

[SWAGA]

People that have little control of their anger should not carry weapons.

I think we have....Red flag laws for these people.

 

[1024Megabytes]

I think we have....Red flag laws for these people.

Utah doesn't have red flag gun confiscation and most other States do not have it either thankfully. I don't like people's property being stripped from them without due process. One complaint a Judge believes and you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

 

[OldOutlaw]

Yep, Florida news once again.

 

[lklawson]

I think we have....Red flag laws for these people.

Feeling spunky, huh?

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

Heck, they even charged that Chauvin shithead with 1st Degree murder..

Watching the latest video (Rach may have) I think skippy doodle was dying while still in the driver's seat. And a happy doodle fuck you on the knee thing, it was part of their allowed techniques at the time. Defense picks up on that and Chauvin is going to get a lighter conviction/charge. I kissed a law school graduate once.

 

[OldOutlaw]

Watching the latest video (Rach may have) I think skippy doodle was dying while still in the driver's seat. And a happy doodle fuck you on the knee thing, it was part of their allowed techniques at the time. Defense picks up on that and Chauvin is going to get a lighter conviction/charge. I kissed a law school graduate once.

You be a sick puppy.

 

[Think1st]

Probably a bogus charge to force a plea deal.

Watching the latest video (Rach may have) I think skippy doodle was dying while still in the driver's seat. And a happy doodle fuck you on the knee thing, it was part of their allowed techniques at the time. Defense picks up on that and Chauvin is going to get a lighter conviction/charge. I kissed a law school graduate once.

The only problem with that approach is that if either of these two suspects has a sufficiently competent lawyer and some confidence in him/her, either could decide to go to trial on the 1st Degree charge on the chance that the premeditation element won't be proven, thereby resulting in an outright acquittal. Granted, I recall that the Florida woman was also charged with ag assault (I'm rushing and not rereading the article), so way overcharging her with 1st Degree is a bit over the top if they just want a plea out of her.

Overcharging to the extent they have compromises the office's credibility in the long run. There are other severe charges that would work just fine if they want her to plead down.

Oh, I also forgot to mention the Atlanta prosecutor who charged the police officer with felony murder as another example of inappropriate charging.

 

[OldOutlaw]

Florida has strange ways.

 

[RACHGIER]

The only problem with that approach is that if either of these two suspects has a sufficiently competent lawyer and some confidence in him/her, either could decide to go to trial on the 1st Degree charge on the chance that the premeditation element won't be proven, thereby resulting in an outright acquittal. Granted, I recall that the Florida woman was also charged with ag assault (I'm rushing and not rereading the article), so way overcharging her with 1st Degree is a bit over the top if they just want a plea out of her.

Overcharging to the extent they have compromises the office's credibility in the long run. There are other severe charges that would work just fine if they want her to plead down.

Oh, I also forgot to mention the Atlanta prosecutor who charged the police officer with felony murder as another example of inappropriate charging.

Well the story references witness statements that suggest she was brandishing it at a group of people and some witnesses reported 2 shots. If enough of those oh so reliable eye witnesses suggest they thought she was going to kill the other one, it's entirely possible the DA thinks they have a case.

There are examples of DA's saying handrolling your own ammo proves intent.

 

[SWAGA]

Firing a gun = use of lethal force
Person hit shows intent.
Hit in the foot? She could have aimed for the head and be a really lousy shot.
She hit the person she was trying to hit.

 

[ajole]

Well, the sheriff arrived with his bathrobe on
The confrontation was a tense one
Shook his head said, "Bubba Boy,"
"You was always a dense one."
A reckless discharge of a gun
That's what the officers are claiming
Bubba hollered, "Reckless! Hell!"
"I hit just where I was aiming."

 

[RACHGIER]

Firing a gun = use of lethal force
Person hit shows intent.
Hit in the foot? She could have aimed for the head and be a really lousy shot.
She hit the person she was trying to hit.

But the key is the degree. 1st degree murder, or attempt, used to require a definitive premeditation of a wilful act against a specific target.

2nd degree is for acts of passion and spontaneous, non-premeditated acts.

Can they prove this bat shit crazy lady planned on shooting this other person before they met at the entryway?