What does he use as a priming compound?

 

What does he use as a priming compound?

Some sort of magic mystery blend. You can purchase his priming compound in a multi-part dry mix. Mix it up. Wet it. Deposit it in your rims and use the packing tool.

He also includes instructions on using strike-anywhere matches or cap-gun caps, which he says is how they did it back in the '30s.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

I have been watching those for a while too. Would love to have a set for both the LR and the 22mag. I checked into it a bit and from what i was told that primming mix is corosive so you will have to keep that in mind. But i still think it would be great to have in a survival bag anyway. May be good for working up some sort of specialty loads too.

 

What type of powder do you use?

 

What type of powder do you use?

Gunpowder maybe?

 

I have been saving my rim fire cases for a long time too. I have long rifle, some shorts and i have a few 22 mag and 22 WRF, so if anyone buys a kit and needs some brass just let me know and i will send you some.

 

The kit comes with powder i think and the way i remember he also sells more powder also.

 

I can get lead real easy here too. I have connections at a big tire shop,lol. But i think shipping would suck on lead now days.

 

I have been watching those for a while too. Would love to have a set for both the LR and the 22mag. I checked into it a bit and from what i was told that primming mix is corosive so you will have to keep that in mind. But i still think it would be great to have in a survival bag anyway. May be good for working up some sort of specialty loads too.

I don't know about the priming compound. I do know that the original load data which he published for the .22LR reloader only listed Black Powder substitute, which is corrosive.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

What type of powder do you use?

In an interview with the gent, he stated that the reloader now comes packaged with a sheet of load data for various powders. The only ones I remember are Black Powder sustituted and Lil'Gun. But there were something like 5 different powders. He even gave his pet load for the 10/22.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't .22wmr use a standard, non heeled bullet?

I thought I read somewhere at one time people were pulling the bullet out of live ammo, and reloading it with a heavier charge and bullet, to score more points when knocking down bowling pins

 

Ok, it has been a while since i watched any of the you tube videos on it so i started looking for new ones. First off, a year or so ago what i saw the you could by a kit with powder and primming mix. Dont see that anymore so probably was a liability problem with that. The several vids i just watched , the guys did it pretty basic,,match head primming and pyrodex P powder. I am familiar with pyrodex. I am sure that would be a poor choice for loading 22 rf. If i were doing it with black powder or a BP substitute i would use FFFFG real black. Pyrodex,even the P stuff, is rather coarse powder for such a small case and i dont think would get very consistant measuring with a tiny dipper. Also pyrodex is a lot harder to ignite than true BP and i feel like that is not a good combo with a cruse primming of match heads. He was getting around 700 - 750 FPS with the pyrodex P. So about the same as a standard 22 short cartrige. It was very poor accuracy too.The one guy was using a Savage bolt gun to test and was having a good bit of stuck cases. I have had several guns just like the one he used and they are picky about extracting though.He also did not use a sizing die so that may not have been an issue if he had.I will keep looking and see if i can find some more videos where they tried some better powders and the primming mix the company sells. Looks like the bullet mold and crimper that comes with the kit are rather crude. Right now i am thinking that for what the kit costs that it would be better to just come up with a lot better bullet mold with cut cavities and wood handles. I am thinking that if you can find a good bullet mold that would cast at least six slugs at 50 grs, a case resizer and crimper, and the right smokeless powder that the .22 mag may be cool. With the heavier 50gr bullets and keep the speed down a bit that it would make a reasonable hunting load that would not lead the barrel up. Especially for a survival kit.Probably work better for a revolver than a rifle and may not even need the cases sized for a single action revolver. If you could get a smokeless load with a 50gr cast bullet to 1200fps out of a 6 inch .22mag revolver that would be great.

 

It's been posted here before, but this 2015 Shooting Sports article indicates that at the time load data was included for 700X, Unique, and Hogdon's Pyrodex P black powder substitute.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

Interesting.

http://www.shootersreport.com/reloading/Reloading22LongRifle.htm

Naysayers are quick to rant long and hard with the pronouncement that you can't reload the .22 Long Rifle, or that even if you could, it's takes more time and trouble than the process is worth. Suffice it to say, the actual history of the world proves these guys dead wrong. I know this for a fact because I have been reloading the .22 Long Rifle cartridge for more than a month now. And I'm not the only one.

It's well-documented that Siberian hunters, Inuit Indians and depression-era American shooters have been relying on this expedient method for reloading .22 rimfire ammo since early in the 20th century. In other words, since about the time the venerable.22 long rifle was first introduced. Researching this story I discovered the tantalizing fact that Sioux and Cheyenne Indians both reloaded rimfire cases for their .44 caliber Henry Rifles.​

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't .22wmr use a standard, non heeled bullet?

Correct. It's a .224 diameter bullet.

I always wondered of you could just load up 40 grain .224 XTP or something like it, and get a different terminal effect than the typical WMR bullets, or maybe just more accuracy.

For that matter, you can download .223 for a bolt gun, and get the same effect.

 

Correct. It's a .224 diameter bullet.

I always wondered of you could just load up 40 grain .224 XTP or something like it, and get a different terminal effect than the typical WMR bullets, or maybe just more accuracy.

For that matter, you can download .223 for a bolt gun, and get the same effect.

Not according to the Shooting Sports article.

The .22 caliber bullets available to handloaders are unsuitable for .22 LR because the latter utilizes a heel base bullet; that is, the rear portion of the bullet is lesser in diameter than the forward, exposed portion of the bullet so that the heel fits inside the case. The exposed portion of the bullet is the same diameter is the .22 LR case and bore, .222," whereas .22 caliber bullets for centerfire cartridges like the .223 Rem are .224" in diameter. Using such bullets in the .22 LR would cause the case to bulge so that it could not chamber, or if it did, the bullet would be .002" oversize for the bore.​

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

Correct. It's a .224 diameter bullet.

I always wondered of you could just load up 40 grain .224 XTP or something like it, and get a different terminal effect than the typical WMR bullets, or maybe just more accuracy.

For that matter, you can download .223 for a bolt gun, and get the same effect.

My thought was to go the other way, 60grn holowpoint with a pistol powder, to use in a saa .22wmr clone

 

Not according to the Shooting Sports article.

The .22 caliber bullets available to handloaders are unsuitable for .22 LR because the latter utilizes a heel base bullet; that is, the rear portion of the bullet is lesser in diameter than the forward, exposed portion of the bullet so that the heel fits inside the case. The exposed portion of the bullet is the same diameter is the .22 LR case and bore, .222," whereas .22 caliber bullets for centerfire cartridges like the .223 Rem are .224" in diameter. Using such bullets in the .22 LR would cause the case to bulge so that it could not chamber, or if it did, the bullet would be .002" oversize for the bore.​

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

That may be true of .22 lr, but .22 wmr uses a standard .224 bullet, non heeled. If my research is correct

 

That may be true of .22 lr, but .22 wmr uses a standard .224 bullet, non heeled. If my research is correct

The mold doesn't look heeled. I dunno. Guess I gotta go researching.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

The mold doesn't look heeled. I dunno. Guess I gotta go researching.

I can't find anything other than other people posting. The majority of them say .22WMR =/= heeled.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

Wasn't 22 center fire years ago? That would solve the reloading problem. I have an old savage 22 that has a unused center fire pin that was redone in rim fire.

 

Wasn't 22 center fire years ago? That would solve the reloading problem. I have an old savage 22 that has a unused center fire pin that was redone in rim fire.

The .22LR and .22WMR have always been rimfire. That said, there have been any number of .22 centerfire cartridges. The one that keeps coming up in the "weird cartridges" mix is the .22 Remington Jet.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

22 short, long and long rifle use heeled bullets. 22 WRF and WMR use standard bullets.

The case diameter on the 22 mag is .242, the bullet is .224. You can see the bullet fits inside the case and not the same diameter as.

 

Kirk - check out this article by Chuck Hawks. .22 WMR are indeed inside lubed .224 bullets, while all others are tapered (heeled) outside lubed bullets.

 

Not according to the Shooting Sports article.

The .22 caliber bullets available to handloaders are unsuitable for .22 LR because the latter utilizes a heel base bullet; that is, the rear portion of the bullet is lesser in diameter than the forward, exposed portion of the bullet so that the heel fits inside the case. The exposed portion of the bullet is the same diameter is the .22 LR case and bore, .222," whereas .22 caliber bullets for centerfire cartridges like the .223 Rem are .224" in diameter. Using such bullets in the .22 LR would cause the case to bulge so that it could not chamber, or if it did, the bullet would be .002" oversize for the bore.​

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Ummm...he's saying the same thing I did, except he didn't say ANYTHING about .22 WMR..

I can't find anything other than other people posting. The majority of them say .22WMR =/= heeled.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Then they are wrong.

MANY people say you cannot, or should not, shoot .22LR in a .22 magnum gun, and while it isn't advisable...it's not as bad as they seem to think.

But it is kind of pointless to do so.

Of course, .22 WMR won't even fit into a .22LR chamber without serious pressure being applied...